Residents Debate Business Plan For Church Property; Zone Change Tabled

FULTON, NY – A zone change request that was made as a prerequisite to new business development along West First Street sparked considerable objection Tuesday evening from residents of the Fulton community.

The request was made to change a strip of residential zoning to commercial space along West First Street from Broadway to Voorhees Street.  The change was made as part of the business plan for the former Congregational Church property. While the church is already located in a C-2 commercial zone, houses that would be taken down as part of the project are zoned R-2 residential.

Family Video Store is working to purchase the church, the parsonage and two houses to the north of the church along West First Street. The buildings would be taken down and replaced with a new Family Video Outlet Store.

The project was referred earlier this summer to the Fulton Planning Commission, which unanimously agreed to allow the zoning change.

Tuesday evening, residents debated the change and argued that once the city made the change, it would result in the destruction of a historical building that can never be recovered.

“I am absolutely opposed to this zone change,” said David Mankiewicz, who resides four blocks from the area of the proposed change.

Mankiewicz, a professional planner, stressed that any zone changes in the city have to be made in accordance to the city’s comprehensive plan that was adopted in 2003. He pointed out that while development and promoting economic vitality is one of the goals under the plan, the city is also responsible for protecting neighborhoods from the negative aspects of business development.

Mankiewicz urged the council to consider the plan’s goal of promoting historic preservation. He pointed out that areas like Syracuse and Baldwinsville utilize old buildings by drawing in developers who specialize in utilizing existing historic structures as part of new development, rather than tear them down.

“Future development in this area should be mindful of… protecting the integrity of the neighborhood,” Mankiewicz said.

“There is nothing in the comprehensive plan that supports this zone change,” he added, noting that once the city opens the door to that type of change, it would not be able to stop similar changes in the future.

“Once you let the genie out of the bottle, you will never get it back in,” he said.

Mankiewicz pointed out that there have been several positive changes in his neighborhood over the past few years. He noted that the Community Development Agency has transformed two multi-family homes into single-family homes that are now occupied by first-time homebuyers. He also cited the project at the former Oak Street School that used the building as part of new business planning.

While the neighborhood is bouncing back, he stressed, “It is so fragile.”

Rather than tearing down an old building, Mankiewicz stressed that the city should be working to establish a historic district.

Mayor Ronald Woodward, who was a member of the common council when the comprehensive plan was developed, pointed out that the four houses along West First Street that would make up the change are the only properties residentially zoned in that area.

“You could make a point that those houses are spot zoned,” he said.

Second Ward Alderman David Guyer noted, too, that while a rehabilitation project would be positive, parking continues to stand as an obstacle.

“It just doesn’t seem useable,” Guyer said. He also pointed out that he has not seen developers coming forward with rehabilitation projects for the church.

“We deserve better than tearing down all of the older buildings and putting up new ones,” resident Frank Castiglia debated.

Castiglia stressed that the city already has three video stores. He suggested that it is likely the business will eventually leave, another vacant commercial space would be left in its place and a piece of Fulton’s history would be lost.

“This city is asking you to keep something,” Castiglia said. “I hope you do it.”

Woodward pointed out that the fate of the building is not in the city’s hands. He noted that the only decision the city has to make is on a zone change.

“It is not our building,” Woodward said.

Kristen Collins, a 30-year resident of Fulton who has studied architecture for 10 years, pointed out that losing older buildings contributes to the loss of a community’s identity.

“Once these things are lost, we have no chance of ever getting them back,” Collins said.

Collins offered to volunteer her time to help get the building listed on the historical registry and used for a different project, rather than be taken down.

Congregational Church representative Jan Mileskey pointed out that his church tried twice to win historical status for the church. Both attempts were turned down, he said.

Former Fourth Ward alderman Mark Sherman said that the city was in a similar situation when the former Elks Lodge stood on South First Street. He noted defeating the request gave time to investigate the options for the building, which was ultimately taken down because of the condition of the building.

“The asset to the community is its age,” Sherman said of the church. He suggested that the video store company investigate alternate sites and that alternate uses be considered for the church.

Woodward stressed that the city is not tearing down the church, the city doesn’t own the church and that the investors selected the location.

“The church is already zoned C2,” he said. “The church could tear it down and we can’t tell them no.”

“Change is always difficult,” Third Ward Alderman Robert Weston said. He noted, however, that the city is seeing significant change, particularly in its church community with places like the Congregational Church, St. Michael’s and Holy Family.

Weston pointed out that he was a member of the council during the fight to maintain the former Elks Lodge.

“It would have cost so much money to make it a go that we had to give up,” he said.

The biggest difference now, he stressed, is that the city has a special use permit process to guide new development and protect the city.

After an hour-long public hearing, the council took a vote on the zone change. With one councilor absent, the motion was defeated with three votes in favor and two against. The council took a short break, however, after the vote to look into the rules for passing a zone change.

Shortly after, the vote was rescinded and the matter was tabled until the council is back to full board later this month. The next meeting of the council will be held Aug. 19. missing or outdated ad config

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  1. LIKE I SAID LAST NIGHT IN THE MEETING. THEY ARE GOING TO DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO TO MAKE MONEY. IN OTHER WORDS THEY ALREADY KNOW WHAT THEIR VOTES ARE BEFORE THE PEOPLE SPEAK THEIR MINDS. I COULD HAVE TOLD YOU WHO WAS GOING TO VOTE WHICH WHAY BEFORE IT WAS TAKEN. [Negative comment about an individual deleted here.]

  2. I would think that after decades of destroying landmark buildings in Fulton that we would have learned from our mistakes. Below is a list of some of those buildings since the 1980’s:

    Train Depot in Tops Parking lot (now just an expanded parking lot)
    4th Street School (now duplex housing/not totally negative but we lost a very interesting architctural structure that many other communities have converted to condo style housing)
    Knights of Columbus (now a parking lot)
    Elks Club (now a parking lot)
    Philips Street School (now an empty lot) the building was said to be structurally unsafe but I suspect that school board members were more interested in demolishing than selling the building for conversion. Strong opposition to this demo I believe helped retain the Oak Street school for housing conversion.
    Total demolition of Fulton’s downtown and replaced by one story strip mall style structures.

    This church is in a prime location in the city and has been a focal point in this community for over 100 years and now some out-of-towners want to come in here and crap in our living room. They want to tear down one of the few remaining landmarks and replace it with a 15-year pre-engineered strip mall style structure. To make this even more unbearable is the fact that it is our own demographics that encourage companies like this (furniture rentals, dollar stores, video rentals and quick food) to locate here…low income and subsidized households. This activity is perpetuating and cementing the demographics of the City. These businessmen apparently care very little about this community, our appearance or heritage based on their own insensitivities.

    When you weigh the life expectancy of the video rental industry…it is a fraction of the time this church has been a neighbor here in Fulton. The video industry is changing by the minute (pay per view, internet sales etc.) and with so many already located here in Fulton it is those same demographics that these companies favor that will fail them in the end.

    Lastly, it is my understanding that this particular company likes to place their stores within walking distance of their customers. I wonder how much walk-in business they will have during the winter months when there is 3-4 feet of snow on the ground from December to April and their supposed customers choose pay per view or Netflix.

    It really is a shame that the vacant commercial properties along 481 corridor will not suit their needs and that there is such an urgent need to tear down a landmark.

    Tearing down three houses…$120,000
    Tearing down a church………..$250,000
    Building a video store for $4 rentals…$320,000
    Losing a landmark…………..PRICELESS

  3. Here we go again.Fulton turns it’s back on another business.The church in the end will land in the hands of the city and they will have to deal with it.The building is old and needs a lot of fixing up so if the city gets it then it will cost the tax payers money to fix it up or tear it down.I’m all for keeping old buildings here.They didn’t seem to care years ago when they tore all the building down in our main business section.Look what we have there now,no retail,just offices and no parking.
    Fulton is getting so businesses won’t come in because they know they will get a cool greeting here.We need to stop this and get business in here to get some of the tax burden off the backs of the people here..

  4. As a 32 year old working young adult with a family in this city, I am tired of those who want to “keep things as they already have been” and constantly turning down development. Folks, I and others my age are the future of this city, but the more you attempt to stop development and growth, which will ultimately result in higher taxes, the more of us will leave and when you are gone, there will be no city. In fact, if we continue to let development pass Fulton by for places that surround us, such as Granby, and thus lose more and more real estate tax, this city will return to its roots, and that is dissolved into two separate villages, or worse, dissolved altogether.

    To those who are in their elder years, you had your chance to make Fulton what you wanted, now it is time for us to make it as we want it. We want to see Fulton grow, to be able to shop and patronize without driving to Clay, to be able to afford to live here since we can have a stable tax base. You want the youth to stay, then allow progress, allow change, and give us a reason to stay! To those my age, time to get off your collective duffs and get involved in the change. You want to turn Fulton around from being the butt of jokes to the city for the future that it could be, then stop whining and do something about it. Support development!

    Look what happened when we turned down development in the past. No one even sniffed at Fulton for many moons. Now we have a chance to pull another nationwide chain which is going to attract more and you are ready to blow it. Enough is enough!

    To the politicians, time to stop cowering and think of ALL the citizens and not just the few. Make Fulton proud and get this development moving!

  5. To the Fulton Common Council:

    In a few short words: Don’t sell out any more of our history….NO, NO, NO….Where is the “vision?”, where is the forsight?, where is integerty?……

    Paul McKinney

  6. The church may indeed have the right to tear down their building, but we as a citizens should not be lining up like lemmings,hopping off the cliff of ” Service Jobs” and ” New Development” as another pillar of our towns heritage falls victim to reactionary thinking. If the building can not be restored, than a strict code of new development must be enforced. Plain and simple: cinder block, box architecture is unacceptable and will be rejected. I do not believe, that modern engineers , architects and civic leaders are incapable of creating structures and developmental regulations that promote our glorious regional character. If the building can’t be saved, than replace it with a structure with reverence, something that says we care.

    We all return from trips and vacations to towns both both near and far, marveling at the quaint and idilic communities that seem to “draw us in”. Yet refuse to believe that our own fair city can be just the same.

    Yes, change is difficult, but if we must change, than change for the better. We have a city( remarkably still) with enough natural attributes and civic virtue to create the home we all dream Fulton can be.

  7. Some of the residents whose property backs on W. First St. don’t want anything but residential buildings abutting theirs. We want a quiet residential area such as we had when we moved here for that purpose. Why not keep residential and business separate. Take a look at the mess on W. Second and Broadway.

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